that is what michelle obama's speech was about. both of the conventions are trying to improve the likability factor. this negative campaign has taken a real toll. >>shepard: people mostly know president obama. we have had him in our likes for five or six years now. governor romney, from what i am able to discern, i don't think people really know him yet. they don't get engamed until after the labor day holiday. >>guest: you are right of the it could be that both these conventions do not matter that much because voters may not tune in until after the convention. >>shepard: it will be interesting to see what happens tonight and tomorrow night. now i wondered what sort of effect president clinton will have, he is an incredible speaker and lights up the room. we know this. but he also is a reminder of very good times and times now are not very good. >>guest: what he will say, the economy was very prosperous when i was president, but it is president bush's fault the economy is the way it is but you need a democrat in the white house to